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"For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth." -Jesus to Pontius Pilate (John 18:37)
 
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Getting to know Charlie Campbell.Where and when were you born?

Glendora, California, 1969.

When did you begin to follow the Lord?

1990. I was twenty one years old.

Did you have any religious beliefs before that?

I went to a Baptist church as a child and believed that God existed as a child. I abandoned belief in God though in high school and stopped going to church for seven years. By the time I was in college I considered myself an atheist. I wanted to be an atheist. I didn't want God to exist. I wanted to drink and party, and be a rock and roll star.

A rock and roll star?

Yeah. Crazy hunh? That was my aspiration in life. Be a musician. I thought being rich and famous and traveling the world would make me happy. Little did I know that most of the rich and famous musicians out there are completely miserable.

How did the Lord get a hold of your life?

When I was twenty one I began to question if God actually existed. I was getting miserable living in sin and getting deeply philosophical, asking myself lots of questions like, "How could something (the universe) come from nothing and by nothing? as I had convinced myself was the case. And I began to wonder, "If God exists, how can one know which religion is actually right?" You know, what about the Buddhists, and the Muslims, and the Mormons, etc.? So I began to read books on religions. I began a search to find out why the people of each of the major religions believe what they believe. Over the course of a two year period I discovered that Christianity alone amongst the world's religions was able to substantiate its truth claims with historically verifiable evidence and provide intellectually satisfying answers. I came to the conclusion that the Bible was what it claimed to be, and so I decided to trust in Jesus and begin following Him. I started attending a Calvary Chapel in southern California. I never went forward at an altar call. I don't even remember the exact date I was saved. I just remember gradually turning toward the truth and beginning to follow Jesus.

You are the Director of the Always Be Ready Apologetics Ministry. You travel quite a bit teaching at different churches. How did the Lord lead you to do itinerant apologetics full time?

Apologetics was something that helped me abandon my atheism years ago (1990). So, from very early on, I've had a desire to share some of this evidence with others. A girl that I was dating at the time of my conversion had two older brothers who were zealous, active Jehovah’s Witnesses. So immediately I had to figure out what I believed and why I believed it. So, I began learning how to defend my beliefs very early on in my Christian walk. Seven years later (1997) I went on staff as the college and career pastor at Calvary Chapel of Vista in southern California. I realized that these young men and women needed help defending the faith. So, I would occasionally do a series of studies on topics that they were being challenged on in their college classes.

I was the college pastor for five years, so I got to refine the material I taught them every year or two. God gave me a desire to teach a midweek apologetics course at our church on apologetics for whoever wanted to come out. So I asked our pastor what he thought about that. He agreed and we had about 75 people come out every Tuesday night for that. We ran that course over and over again about twice a year for five or six years. Doing that allowed me to continue researching and improving my studies.

When our senior pastor, Rob Salvato, was on a missions trip or on vacation, he would often allow me to fill in for him on Wednesday nights or Sunday mornings. The feedback he was receiving was good enough (I paid people to tell him it went well) that when he had to turn down an invitation to teach at another church he started recommending that they invite me instead. So about once every three or four months I would speak at another church. I did that for about three or four years (2002-2006). Much to my surprise the invitations were becoming more frequent. In early 2006, the invitations began coming in frequently enough that my wife and I determined that the Lord was leading me to do this full time. So, that in a nutshell is how the Lord worked it out.

Charlie Campbell at Chino Hills Calvary.

Did you ever forsee that you would be a pastor or itinerant apologist?

Absolutely not!! I've always felt way underqualifed to do anything for the Lord. And it is only by His grace and His enabling that I can do anything at all for Him today. I was so afraid of speaking in front of people growing up, I refused to ever give an oral report all through junior high and high school. (Give me a lower grade I said, I'm not giving a speech!) And my teachers did give me a lower grade! I was so afraid to stand up and talk in front of people that even in college, I'd sit in the back row by the door on the first day of class so that if the teacher asked the students to stand up and tell the class their name and introduce themselves, I'd get up and walk out!

I think God chose to make me a teacher just to blow away the angels and people who used to know me! (Hmm...let's see, who is the least qualified for this position? I'll pick him, that way I'll get all the glory when anything good comes from his life!).

God is good. When I became a follower of Christ, God miraculously began to change me and actually give me a desire to teach others His Word. He works in us both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

Do you enjoy teaching and traveling to different churches?

Yes, immensely. Visiting different churches every week is a tremendous blessing and seeing the faith of believers strengthened is also an amazing experience. There’s nothing I’d rather be doing this side of heaven. I feel extremely blessed. I feel like I’m doing what God created me to do.

Do you speak at churches of different denominations?

Absolutely. Baptist churches, Presbyterian churches, Nazarene churches, non-denominational churches, Methodist. Having been on staff at a Calvary Chapel for so long, I have many friends within the Calvary Chapel movement so many of my invitations are from Calvary Chapels. I'm blessed to go wherever God allows me to speak. It is a great joy meeting God's people all over the world and worshipping with them. It's a wonderful privilege.

Do you ever teach outside of the United States?

Yes. I just returned from Europe actually. It's a joy to see how God is working outside of our country.

How do you decide which topic to address when a church invites you to teach?

Many times the pastor who invites me will ask me to address a specific topic (I have a list of subjects I can address on my website). If they leave it up to me, I pray for wisdom and then I consider the congregation. Sometimes the church is a place I’ve spoken at many times. Other times it will be my first time. Sometimes it is a youth group. Other times it will be the main congregation. The congregation all factors into the decision making process. If it is a church that I am speaking at for the first time, I like to start off by teaching something that is foundational and that will lay a foundation for future topics, usually something like “Evidence for the Trustworthiness of the Bible” or “Evidence for the Existence of God.” When I have spoken at a church a few times, I will usually move on to topics like “The Jehovah’s Witnesses” or “Mormonism.”

What do you charge a church to come and teach?

Nothing. Jesus said, “Freely you received, freely give” (Matthew 10:8). I’m blessed to come for free. I don’t want money to be a deciding issue as to whether or not I am invited to speak.

How do you survive financially?

The Lord provides for us ultimately. Most churches give me an honorarium of whatever amount they decide on. I do have a family to feed, so that is really helpful. We also have some DVDs and books that we make available when I teach that generates some income. [If you would like to support this ministry, you can click here]

How do you filter through speaking requests and select dates at which to speak?

My prayer is always that “God may open up to us a door for the word, so that we may speak forth the mystery of Christ” (Col 4:3). So, when an invitation comes in to teach, that is an open door to teach the Word, the very thing I pray for. So, if it doesn’t conflict with something else (needed time with my family, another teaching engagement, etc), I am usually able to come, and blessed to do so.

How can a pastor contact you?

They can email me (Click here).

Do you post your teaching itinerary online?

Yes (Click here).

Who has had the biggest impact on you spiritually?

Besides the men of God in the Bible, I'd say Brian Brodersen and Norman Geisler. Brian was the pastor at Calvary Chapel of Vista for the first eight years I went there. I grew up so to speak in my Christian faith under his teaching. I am eternally grateful for his clear expository, verse-by-verse teaching through the Bible. He's the co-host of the radio program "Pastor's Perspective" now and an assistant pastor to Chuck Smith at Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, Calif. Norman Geisler is of course the author of more than sixty different books. He's been a huge influence on me as well.

Speaking of books, who are some of your favorite Christian authors?

I like to read books on Christian theology, commentaries on the Bible, not your typical popular reading. Some of my favorite authors would include of course, Norman Geisler, John Walvoord, Charles Spurgeon, Charles Colson, Ron Rhodes, Lee Strobel, Warren Wiersbe, John MacArthur, William Lane Craig, and many others. I love to read.

Do you read Christian fiction?

To my kids at bedtime. For myself, I really don’t like fiction that much. I’ll watch an occasional fictional movie with my wife, but when I consider the spiritual battle that is going on all around us, that 158,000 people die every day, and God’s call on my life, I believe that life is too short, and the battle is too serious for me to spend much time entertaining myself with fiction. I read to learn facts. I want to know God better and glorify Him by sharing His truth with others. With that in mind, I stay away from fiction.

If you could recommend just one book for a young Christian who wants to learn how to better defend their faith, what would you recommend?

I Don’t Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist by Dr. Norman Geisler. If the person is in high school or perhaps a busy mom, or just wants something more concise, I would recommend my book, One Minute Answers to Skeptics’ Top Forty Questions. It's a shorter read (144 pages).

If you could recommend some additional books to someone who is serious about defending the faith, what would they be?

I'd start by reading Lee Strobel's series: The Case for Christ; The Case for Faith; The Case for a Creator. After that I'd recommend that they move on to: When Skeptics Ask by Dr. Norman Geisler and perhaps Reasonable Faith by William Lane Craig. This will lay a great foundation for them. We have a more thorough list of book recommendations on our website.

What advice would you give to someone who wants to become more involved in defending the faith, or even be an apologist themselves?

We'll were all called to be apologists to some degree. Jude 3 and 1 Peter 3:15 talk about this. I’d encourage every believer to continue studying the Bible first and foremost. Most of the false teachings being taught by the cults can be countered simply by having a better grasp on the Scriptures. I'd also encourage people to pick up a good book on apologetics.

If a person believes the Lord is leading them to actually teach others to defend the faith, then I would work on preparing a message, let’s say on the trustworthiness of the Bible, or evidence for the existence of God. Write out your notes, refine them, rework them. Perhaps build a PowerPoint presentation and then let your jr. high, high school or college pastor take a look at it. Then, mention to them that if they are ever open to the idea of them sharing something with the group along those lines, that they would love the opportunity. I'd encourage them to be faithful with any opportunity that God gives them to teach others and see what He might do. Jesus said, “He who is faithful in a very little thing is faithful also in much” (Luke 16:10).

Your Bible studies are very visual. You use a lot of slides to communicate your points. How long does it take to put together a typical presentation?

You don't want to know! More time than most people imagine. I'd say about 150 - 200 hours per presentation (not counting the time to research the topic). It is a joy to work on them though. You know for years I use to teach on these issues (surrounding the defense of the faith) with no slides, no PowerPoint. But I'll tell you, it makes a much longer lasting impression on a person's mind to actually show them a photograph of an archaeological discovery or the interior of a cell, than to just tell them about it.

Charlie Campbell at Calvary Chapel South Bay.

What software program do you use for your presentations?

I use an Apple MacBook Pro with Microsoft PowerPoint software for a Mac (2008 edition).

Where do you find the images you use in your presentations?

I purchase them through stock photography agencies. I find others online in the public domain at wikipedia.com (the unreliable, always changing online encyclopedia) or at www.sxc.hu (a large provider of free public domain stock photos).

Are you able to share your PowerPoint files with others?

I am not able to distribute my PowerPoint files. Many of the photographs that are embedded in them were purchased with certain license restrictions that only allow for one time use (i.e., prohibiting distribution, sharing, resale, etc).

Are there any new projects you are working on?

I'm always working on a new PowerPoint presentation or finishing up the editing process for a DVD. We have a few DVDs right now that are just a few months away from being finished. A couple of books are in the works.

Have you ever considered being a senior pastor?

I have considered it. I always want to be open to whatever God would desire to do with my life. I don’t think that’s the direction He’s leading me though, but I am pleased to do whatever God desires that I do. Paul said, "Therefore also we have as our ambition, whether at home or absent, to be pleasing to Him" (2 Cor. 5:9). That's my heart.

Where did you go to seminary?

I didn't. I went to college off and on in southern California for five years but never got a degree. I ended up getting a very good job in the surfing industry at a young age, and so pursuing a degree was not all that important to me. I honestly believe that God has chosen the foolish things to confound the wise (1 Cor. 1:27) in choosing me, a former atheist with no formal theological training, to defend the Christian faith. And I hope that I can be an example and hopefully an encouragement to all of the other “uneducated and untrained men” (Acts 4:13) of our day who think God can’t use them to teach because they “can’t afford to go to seminary or don’t have the time for Bible College.” Perfect, I say. Either did I. Save your money and begin vigorously studying on your own, and start serving and volunteering in your local church. God doesn’t need your degree. He’s looking for men of God, who are on fire for Him, who know His word, and who will stand on the Scriptures and proclaim them to this generation. The Bible says, “For the eyes of the LORD move to and fro throughout the earth that He may strongly support those whose heart is completely His” (2 Chron. 16:9). If a person's heart is completely His, He’ll use them in amazing ways if they'll let Him.

If a person does have the time and the money to afford to further his education for the purpose of pastoral ministry, are there any seminaries or Bible Colleges that you would recommend?

I recently went out to dinner with one of the leading Christian theologians alive today. He’s a popular author and seminary professor at a very well known seminary here in the United States. I asked him this same question. He said, there was only one or two seminaries in the U.S. that he knew of that had not already begun to drift to the left with liberal theology. He said he wouldn’t even send anyone to Dallas Theological Seminary (where he himself had graduated!) nor the seminary he teaches at! He said, ‘what Calvary Chapels are doing is so great. They are training up their own guys in their own Schools of Ministry (typically two year programs run out of local churches that are much less expensive) and their own Bible colleges. God forbid they should ever put pressure on their young men to pursue degrees from prestigious institutions that are largely dead spiritually.'

I was shocked to hear him say this, but I must say that I largely agree with him. I was the director of the School of Ministry at Calvary Chapel in Vista, California for five years. We offered the same kind of courses that seminaries offer (classes on church history, systematic theology, hermeneutics, apologetics, etc.) at about 1/100 of the cost, and we were able to give all of our students the opportunity to actually serve the Lord at the church while they were taking their classes. They got instruction in the classroom and then the opportunity to put it into practice every Sunday morning and Wednesday evening. Our instructors did not have Ph.D.s from Princeton Seminary or Oxford University (Praise the Lord!) but they were men of God who were very knowledgeable about their subject matter, who had a desire to impart it to others.

I would recommend that if a young man desires to get training for pastoral ministry that he seriously consider this kind of schooling. If a person lives in southern California, there is the School of Ministry at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa that offers a great two year program. There is also the Calvary Chapel Bible College in Murrieta, California that offers an excellent education (they also have many extension campuses around the U.S., Europe, South America, etc). I also like Southern Evangelical Seminary, founded by Dr. Norman Geisler. They have a very strong apologetics program there.

Are you married?

Yes, very happily so to an amazing, beautiful woman named Anastasia.

How did you meet?

I was visiting a home fellowship in Newport Beach one night. In fact, the only reason I really went that particular night (I was scheduled to help lead worship somewhere else that night) was because my assistant at my previous job, who was not a believer, had decided she would go. So I went sort of for moral support for her, so she would know somebody. As the Bible study was about to start, a beautiful lady came in and there was nowhere else left to sit except right next to me. She sat down and that was how we met. We talked for about an hour after the Bible study about her upcoming missions trip to Costa Rica and some other things, became good friends and a year later we got married.

Do you have children?

Yes, four. Three girls: Selah, Addison, Emerie. One boy, Caden. They are such a blessing!

Charlie Campbell's girls enjoy a walk at the beach.

 

 

 

 

 

 

What do you like to do for fun?

Lots of things. Wrestle with my kids. Go out to dinner with my wife. Walk. Read. Study the Bible (my quiet time with the Lord is my favorite part of every day). Work on my studies for upcoming teaching engagements. Surf or snowboard occasionally. I love to camp and hike, travel. Being alive is fun.

What are some of your favorite movies?

I rarely ever go to the movies now. My wife and I will occasionally rent a movie. I really liked Luther. I thought that The Gospel of John was stunning, word for word right from the Gospel of John. Other movies I've enjoyed are, The Patriot, The Passion of the Christ, Toy Story, Star Wars. My wife and I have enjoyed the DVD series based on Janette Oke's book called Love Comes Softly. She's a great story teller. I highly recommend the DVDs.

You mentioned earlier that you wanted to be a musician. Is there still a special place in your heart for music?

Yes, but you know I was in such bondage to idolatry in the music scene years ago that after I started following the Lord I decided to destroy all of my secular CDs and tapes. My roommates came home and saw me out in the garage busting them all up with a hammer, and asked if I was okay. I told them I had never been better! Someone asked, "Why don't you just sell them?" Well, I had wondered if I should sell all of them and put the money to good use, but I found inspiration for smasing them up in Acts 19:19 where it says, that those who practiced magic brought their books together and began burning them in the sight of all; and they counted up the price of them and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. They could have sold those books, but they realized, 'Hey, if these things brought us into bondage, why would we want anyone else to get their hands on them?' And so they destroyed their books. And so I filled an entire trash can with broken CDs and tapes. It was really liberating. I decided, if the music doesn't encourage me in my walk with the Lord, or challenge me to draw near to the Lord, then it's gone. But I love listening to Christian music. I love classical music.

Who are some of your favorite Christian musicians?

I have lots. Delirious, Switchfoot, Matt Redman, David Crowder, Chris Tomlin, Phil Wickham, Charlie Hall, the late Keith Green, Mat Kearney, Lifehouse, Jeremy Camp, Relient K, Leeland, Chris Rice, Caedmon's Call, Tree 63, Seven Places, Third Day. I love the new band "Ruth." For anyone who likes Switchfoot or Relient K, they are a must to check out!

Are there any pressing concerns on your heart when you survey what is happening in the churches as a whole?

Sure. At the top of my list of concerns is the fact that approximately 80-88% of Christian high school students are walking away from the Lord by the end of their fourth year in college. These are staggering figures and very telling of the fact that parents and the church in general are not doing enough to prepare them for the challenges that they are facing in the universities. They are being eaten alive by their atheistic, liberal professors. We must do a better job explaining to them why we believe what we believe. Many parents and youth pastors are not taking the time to equip their kids or youth group with answers regarding evolution, the problem of evil, the existence of God, the trustworthiness of the Bible, etc.

Another concern is that many churches have abandoned verse-by-verse expository preaching. Multitudes of churches are teaching 25 minute long sermons, or moving toward the Emerging Church's model of dialogue, where everyone shares their opinion about the passage. As a result, millions of Christians are growing more and more spiritually malnourished. That is sad. I pray that more pastors would see the value of declaring to their congregations the whole counsel of the word of God.

If you could do one thing over in life what would it be?

I would have surrendered my life to the Lord much sooner. That is my main regret, the years I wasted living in the world. But God has been good to restore the years that the locusts have eaten and work that time together for good in my life. I'm forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead (Philippians 3:13).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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